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Section sizes

Section size for Scythians (220 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	7,557	7,557
Names	44	10,565
Etymology	4,784	4,784
Modern terminology	62	5,737
Scythians	18	3,912
Scythians proper	27	339
Ancient use	312	312
Modern use	423	423
Broader designations	31	563
Ancient use	532	532
Modern use	2,569	2,569
Saka	708	708
Cimmerians	1,055	1,055
History	767	233,008
Pre-Scythian period	534	3,452
Beginning of steppe nomadism	1,163	1,163
The Chernogorovka-Novocherkassk complex	1,755	1,755
Proto-Scythian period	4,437	4,437
Migration out of Central Asia	1,675	4,577
Displacement of the Cimmerians	2,902	2,902
Early (or Archaic) Scythian period	41	41
Ciscaucasian kingdom	4,936	124,338
Arrival in West Asia	29	10,272
Cimmerian migration into West Asia	986	986
Reasons for southwards nomad expansion	5,101	5,101
Scythian expansion into West Asia	4,156	4,156
Arrival in the Pontic Steppe	1,471	5,313
Displacement of the Agathyrsi	1,851	1,851
Activities in Europe	31	1,991
Raids into Central Europe	322	322
Relations with the forest steppe	1,638	1,638
Presence in West Asia	10,477	22,944
Alliance with the Neo-Assyrian Empire	5,466	12,467
West Asian influences on the Scythians	7,001	7,001
Conquest of Mannai	2,686	2,686
The reign of Madyes	567	37,169
Conquest of Media	2,207	2,207
Scythian hegemony in West Asia	1,469	1,469
Defeat of the Cimmerians	131	12,273
Cimmerian activities in Anatolia	1,839	1,839
Cimmerian alliance with the Treres	472	472
Cimmerian attack on Lydia and Asian Greece	2,471	2,471
Cimmerian activities in Cilicia	1,450	1,450
Death of Dugdammî	1,280	1,280
Decline of the Cimmerians	383	383
Rise of the Lydian Empire	4,247	4,247
First wave of Greek colonisation	2,170	6,380
First Greek trade outposts	2,591	2,591
Beginning of Graeco-Scythian commercial activities	1,619	1,619
Decline in West Asia	701	7,101
Revolt of Media	2,732	2,732
Raid till Egypt	3,668	3,668
War against the Neo-Assyrian Empire	2,880	2,880
Expulsion from West Asia	1,654	4,292
Remnants in West Asia	2,638	2,638
North Pontic Scythian kingdom	4,161	41,018
Pontic Scythian political and social formation	5,832	5,832
Scythian influence in the Pontic Steppe	1,754	1,754
Expansion into Central Europe	40	7,130
Migration of the Sindi	839	839
In the forest steppe	1,831	1,831
Raids to the west	2,139	2,139
Westwards Scythian influences	2,281	2,281
Second wave of Greek colonisation	7,213	7,213
Rise of the Persian Empire	1,122	1,122
Third wave of Greek colonisation	3,102	3,102
First wave of Sauromatian immigration	4,930	4,930
Anacharsis	1,523	1,523
The Persian invasion	4,251	4,251
Middle (or Classical) period	2,394	60,244
Consolidation	1,149	26,929
Expansionism	158	9,754
In Thrace	2,234	2,234
In Sindica	242	242
In the forest steppe	1,795	1,795
On the Pontic coast	5,325	5,325
Commercial activities	32	6,717
Grain trading	1,531	1,531
Slave trading	1,922	1,922
Other Scythian exports	147	147
Import of Greek goods	1,179	1,179
Economic prosperity	1,906	1,906
Greek influence	1,399	1,399
Early sedentarisation	4,075	4,075
The city of Kamianka	3,384	3,384
The city of Yelizavetovskaya	451	451
Succession struggle	1,272	10,039
External relations	191	5,797
With Central and Western Europe	231	231
With Thrace	1,268	1,268
With the Bosporan kingdom	3,761	3,761
With Athens	346	346
Second wave of Sauromatian immigration	1,242	1,242
Period of instability	1,728	1,728
Golden Age	2,738	6,922
Trade with the Greeks	1,384	3,537
Scytho-Bosporan relations	2,153	2,153
Early Sarmatian immigration	647	647
The reign of Ateas	5,177	5,177
The late 4th century BC	3,158	3,158
End of Pontic Scythia	5,625	5,625
Late period	3,743	3,743
End	1,786	1,786
Legacy	442	29,623
Antiquity	18	14,693
In West Asia	3,738	3,738
In Ancient art	486	486
In Graeco-Roman literature	728	9,807
According to Herodotus of Halicarnassus	3,267	3,267
In later Graeco-Roman literature	4,421	4,421
As general designation	1,391	1,391
Ancient grave robbing	644	644
Mediaeval period	458	4,277
In Mediaeval European literature	3,145	3,145
Russian Chronicles	292	292
Mediaeval grave robbery	382	382
Modern period	228	10,211
Modern pseudohistory	4,845	4,845
Early modern grave robbery	1,202	1,202
Russian Scythianism	3,936	3,936
Culture and society	1,450	99,782
Location	15	10,214
Early phase in the western steppes	485	485
In West Asia	1,648	1,648
In the Pontic steppe	3,098	7,473
Climate	2,592	2,592
Neighbouring populations	1,783	1,783
Little Scythia	593	593
Ethnicity	16	11,744
Central Asian Iranic origins	1,215	1,215
Later tribal confederation	973	973
Constituent tribes	7,984	7,984
Related populations	1,556	1,556
Language	1,395	1,395
Social organisation	26	13,577
Class system	1,672	6,103
The aristocracy	1,085	1,085
Commoners	1,557	1,557
Serfdom	308	308
Slavery	770	770
Class hierarchies	711	711
Clan structures	872	872
Gender roles	21	1,964
Patriarchy	966	966
Marriage customs	636	636
Gender non-conformity	341	341
Administrative structure	376	4,612
Kingship	2,423	2,423
Popular and warrior assemblies	356	356
Dependancy	298	298
Administrative divisions	1,159	1,159
Economy	1,388	25,402
Pastoralism	2,184	2,184
Hunting	235	235
Agriculture	2,030	2,030
Crafts and materials	1,662	5,782
Metalworking	1,376	1,376
Goldsmithing	384	2,345
Industrial organisation	1,961	1,961
Textiles	399	399
Trade	2,453	2,453
Scythian exports	1,752	8,009
The grain trade	514	4,777
Athenian commercial ventures	839	839
Scythian-managed grain trade	991	991
Bosporan grain trade	745	745
Scythian profits	1,688	1,688
The slave trade	1,480	1,480
Scythian imports	1,398	1,398
Importation of wine	1,141	1,141
Scythian trade relations	833	833
Pottery importation	659	659
Hellenisation as consequence of trade	437	437
The gold trade route	1,722	1,722
Coinage	201	201
Lifestyle	16	36,000
Equestrianism	1,024	1,869
Saddles	845	845
Nomadism and sedentarisation	2,030	2,030
Habitations	322	3,763
Tents	1,176	1,176
Sedentary settlements	32	2,265
Scythian settlements	2,233	2,233
Vehicles	150	150
Diet	1,029	1,759
Wine consumption	730	730
Clothing and grooming	4,730	6,350
Hairstyle	250	250
Grooming	1,370	1,370
Medicine	1,505	1,505
Pets	74	3,179
Art	14	3,105
Literary art	122	122
Physical art	436	436
The "Animal Style"	286	286
Development	2,247	2,247
Religion	1,017	1,017
Warfare	1,255	14,362
Weapons	104	7,910
Archery	3,879	3,879
Poisons	2,997	2,997
Other weapons	930	930
Armour	2,167	2,167
Command structure	878	878
Tactics	173	173
War customs	1,979	1,979
Physical appearance	2,709	4,035
Archaeology	1,326	1,326
Genetics	3,189	7,418
Maternal haplogroups	3,031	3,031
Paternal haplogroups	1,198	1,198
List of rulers	796	4,728
Kings of Early Scythians	1,196	1,196
Kings of Pontic Scythians	2,736	2,736
See also	160	160
References	35	35
Sources	12	77,257
Ancient	3,615	3,615
Modern	70,363	70,363
Further reading	3,267	3,267
Total	447,615	447,615

Add Armenian, Greek, and New Persian transliterations

(Old Persian: Sakā; New Persian: ساکا Saka; Greek: Σάκαι Sakai; Armenian: սկյութները Skyout'nerə; Latin: Sacae, Sanskrit: शक Śaka), and Sai (Chinese: 塞; Old Chinese: *sˤək), respectively.[8]

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Change spelling of entartainment to entertainment 2605:59C8:2678:3300:E192:8D5:E423:9D44 (talk) 00:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! Quadrantal (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scythians R1b

In the genetic study by Krzewińska, Maja; et al 2018 it is said that the Scythians have exclusively R1b, on some sites I came across information that the article of the genetic study incorrectly concluded that the western nomads of the Iron Age had haplogroup R1b, at first I did not know on what basis such an opinion was made. However, recently I came across a genetic study (Population genomics of post-glacial western Eurasia), there is autosomal DNA of samples, including those that were tested in the study by Krzewińska, Maja; et al 2018, and it confirms that there is an error in the article, that allegedly "western nomads of the Iron Age had R1b", only scy305 and scy009 had haplogroup R1b, the rest of the Scythians had mainly R1a, there were also samples with I2a and E1b. Therefore, in the article "Scythians" in the section "Genetics" it is necessary to correct the incorrect statement that the Western Scythians had only haplogroup R1b. P.S. to see the table of autosomal DNA samples you need to download the study or here is the link (table1 and table2). And the samples (Scythians) from the genetic study Krzewińska, Maja; et al 2018 are marked "scy". In another genetic study (The genetic history of the Southern Arc) in the tables at the very bottom of the study in the "Supplementary Materials" section, it also shows that the samples (scy) had not only a haplogroup R1b. User8638 (talk) 20:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A solution I propose to short the article

A solution I propose to short the article is to split it into time periods or at least have a separate article for the people and the history, but please feel free to discuss. Legendarycool (talk) 06:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would short the article of everything required to shorten it. The shorted material should go in other new shorter articles. The topic should not be shortened. It would totally be comprised, then, by a series of articles. I recommend we use more formal English for this making it sound more professional. No, I don't think time divisions best fits the material. Yes I do think people and history matches it. I would not simplify it to pigin-English. Use good English or at least defer to it. My two main divisions would be just Scythians, which would contain introductory definitions, etymology, geography, and history. The rest of the material would be under [[Anthropology of the Scythians]]. However there are a lot of specialized topics, such as [[Rulers of the Scythians]]. These can be taken out any time. I suggest we use anthropological terms for the anthropological topics. Botteville (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Longer article

Last year I had endeavoured to overhaul this article, but this had the result of creating an unusually long page. After discussion with @Carlstak and @Buidhe, we decided that I should move the update to my sandbox and trim it there before moving it back here.

However, despite my best attempts, I haven't been able to adequately the rewrite to make it shorter without losing any essential information. Therefore, I would like to do some special pleading to be allowed to move this longer rewrite back into the mainspace and allow other editors to trim it as necessary. Antiquistik (talk) 12:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antiquistik good news is that the length is much easier to fix than other problems, so if you think that your draft is an improvement over the current article, I would suggest putting it in with a length tag and hope that the length can get fixed later on.

Still, the length is something that should get addressed at some point because it greatly exceeds the recommended size. To me, it looks like a big part of your draft is the "history" section. So a good start would be to split that off per WP:SUMMARY to History of the Scythians and leave a much shorter summary in this article. (t · c) buidhe 12:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll move the sandbox's content to mainspace first, then I'll work on splitting the article. Antiquistik (talk) 13:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "Pontic Scythian kingdom" section should be largely split off to Scythia, which is already a political article. "Warfare" section should be split off into a Scythian warfare article. I am referring to the existing article here (not the longer one in the sandbox). Srnec (talk) 13:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scythia was meant to be a geographic article while the political information was to be contained on Scythians, though, as per the discussions regarding the mergers which created the present Scythians page. Antiquistik (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]